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	<title>Comentarios en: Controladores abiertos vs cerrados de ATI</title>
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		<title>Por: Willy</title>
		<link>http://www.muylinux.com/2009/09/30/controladores-abiertos-vs-cerrados-de-ati/comment-page-1/#comment-9743</link>
		<dc:creator>Willy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Una pregunta yo tengo una ATI Radeon HD3650 y me funcionaba el 3D con Ubuntu 8.04 pero cuando le instale el Ubuntu 9.04 todo va super lento, sera el cambio del servidor grafico, tambien lei que en la version 9.10, Ubuntu soportara las tarjetas RadeonHD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Una pregunta yo tengo una ATI Radeon HD3650 y me funcionaba el 3D con Ubuntu 8.04 pero cuando le instale el Ubuntu 9.04 todo va super lento, sera el cambio del servidor grafico, tambien lei que en la version 9.10, Ubuntu soportara las tarjetas RadeonHD.</p>
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		<title>Por: El Blog de Zero Cool &#8722; &#191;D&#243;nde est&#225;n los drivers libres RadeonHD y Nouveau?</title>
		<link>http://www.muylinux.com/2009/09/30/controladores-abiertos-vs-cerrados-de-ati/comment-page-1/#comment-9154</link>
		<dc:creator>El Blog de Zero Cool &#8722; &#191;D&#243;nde est&#225;n los drivers libres RadeonHD y Nouveau?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] se ha ralentizado de forma importante, y de hecho en Phoronix no han hecho nada desde julio, cuando los drivers RadeonHD, la versión Open Source de sus controladores para GPUs R500 y superiores, ofrecieron mejor soporte [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] se ha ralentizado de forma importante, y de hecho en Phoronix no han hecho nada desde julio, cuando los drivers RadeonHD, la versión Open Source de sus controladores para GPUs R500 y superiores, ofrecieron mejor soporte [...]</p>
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		<title>Por: ¿Dónde están los drivers libres RadeonHD y Nouveau? &#124; MuyLinux</title>
		<link>http://www.muylinux.com/2009/09/30/controladores-abiertos-vs-cerrados-de-ati/comment-page-1/#comment-9111</link>
		<dc:creator>¿Dónde están los drivers libres RadeonHD y Nouveau? &#124; MuyLinux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] se ha ralentizado de forma importante, y de hecho en Phoronix no han hecho nada desde julio, cuando los drivers RadeonHD, la versión Open Source de sus controladores para GPUs R500 y superiores, ofrecieron mejor soporte [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] se ha ralentizado de forma importante, y de hecho en Phoronix no han hecho nada desde julio, cuando los drivers RadeonHD, la versión Open Source de sus controladores para GPUs R500 y superiores, ofrecieron mejor soporte [...]</p>
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		<title>Por: niky45</title>
		<link>http://www.muylinux.com/2009/09/30/controladores-abiertos-vs-cerrados-de-ati/comment-page-1/#comment-8829</link>
		<dc:creator>niky45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pfff.... desgraciadamente, el soporte 3d es tan, pero tan malo, que hace que todo el sistema vaya de pena.... funciona mejor hasta con vesa. 

ojala mejoren pronto, y podamos librarnos de los privativos.

Y a los que se quejan de que ati deja de dar soporte muy pronto a linux: al menos, vosotros podreis, dentro de &quot;poco&quot;, usar el driver libre. los usuarios de nvidia, cuando no tengan soporte oficial, se quedan sin aceleracion 3d (y si tienen poca suerte, con vesa) . ademas, que el driver de nvidia, en graficas decentes ira muy bien, pero en integradas.... ni el composite maneja (cosa que nv SI, si no fuera porque con mi 7050 no funciona...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pfff&#8230;. desgraciadamente, el soporte 3d es tan, pero tan malo, que hace que todo el sistema vaya de pena&#8230;. funciona mejor hasta con vesa. </p>
<p>ojala mejoren pronto, y podamos librarnos de los privativos.</p>
<p>Y a los que se quejan de que ati deja de dar soporte muy pronto a linux: al menos, vosotros podreis, dentro de &#8220;poco&#8221;, usar el driver libre. los usuarios de nvidia, cuando no tengan soporte oficial, se quedan sin aceleracion 3d (y si tienen poca suerte, con vesa) . ademas, que el driver de nvidia, en graficas decentes ira muy bien, pero en integradas&#8230;. ni el composite maneja (cosa que nv SI, si no fuera porque con mi 7050 no funciona&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>Por: Eduar2</title>
		<link>http://www.muylinux.com/2009/09/30/controladores-abiertos-vs-cerrados-de-ati/comment-page-1/#comment-8810</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduar2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Si ATI Libera sus drivers 100% funcional mando a la mierd a la Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT que no me agrada su desempeño en Gnu/Linux para nada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Si ATI Libera sus drivers 100% funcional mando a la mierd a la Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT que no me agrada su desempeño en Gnu/Linux para nada.</p>
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		<title>Por: jado92mx</title>
		<link>http://www.muylinux.com/2009/09/30/controladores-abiertos-vs-cerrados-de-ati/comment-page-1/#comment-8766</link>
		<dc:creator>jado92mx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 06:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>admiro el trabajo qe realizan con el driver open source; y qe raro qe digan qe el soporte 3D no esta ahun inplementado, si en julio a un ingeniero le instale ubuntu jaunty cn blender y qcad y el compiz y esos programas me iban bn cn una ati movility...

aaun asi, auguro un buen futuro para ati en Linux con los driver libres, espero puedan superar a nvidia y sus altos precios, i qe puedan desarrollar una buena interfaz de configuracion, como la de nvidia ;)  (ojala tmbn para intel)

Saludos!
JaD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>admiro el trabajo qe realizan con el driver open source; y qe raro qe digan qe el soporte 3D no esta ahun inplementado, si en julio a un ingeniero le instale ubuntu jaunty cn blender y qcad y el compiz y esos programas me iban bn cn una ati movility&#8230;</p>
<p>aaun asi, auguro un buen futuro para ati en Linux con los driver libres, espero puedan superar a nvidia y sus altos precios, i qe puedan desarrollar una buena interfaz de configuracion, como la de nvidia ;)  (ojala tmbn para intel)</p>
<p>Saludos!<br />
JaD!</p>
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		<title>Por: Rafa</title>
		<link>http://www.muylinux.com/2009/09/30/controladores-abiertos-vs-cerrados-de-ati/comment-page-1/#comment-8718</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perdón, salió mal por los signos de menor y mayor que no los toma el blog:

_rafa_ Another question. Someone here works for AMD officially?
_woglinde_ I am not
_yangman_ rafa: agd5f and bridgman
_rafa_ Please let them know that support for ATI in Linux sucks.
_rafa_ My ATI is 2 years old and has no official Sopore anymore.
_rafa_ I appreciate the work you all who are involved in the project of open source drivers.
_MostAwesomeDude_ rafa: You may have missed the part where the AMD employees are actively working on the open-source drivers.
_agd5f_ rafa: your card is supported by the open source drivers
_kcodyjr_ ahh, rafa has a somewhat valid complaint if it says &#039;linux&#039; on the box; you know i&#039;m grateful for the work you guys have done, but still you can&#039;t pick up the phone and get someone to troubleshoot an issue - amd is paying you guys to develop, and quash bugs, not answer trouble tickets
_kcodyjr_ now, if amd would just suck it up and go all-in on the radeonhd drivers, and make available the same paid support you can get for cad apps with fglrx, then all hats are off
_MostAwesomeDude_ AMD supports certain Linux distros, like RHEL.
_agd5f_ kcodyjr: fglrx still supports the older cards, just not with the latest kernel and xserver
_kcodyjr_ didn&#039;t say it would be an easy business decision
_MostAwesomeDude_ They don&#039;t support *every* distro.
_kcodyjr_ and i wasn&#039;t aware that they&#039;d answer the phone to help fix idiotic problems for paid rhel subscribers, and i will mention it to my boss next time the issue comes up at work
_kevin06_ fglrx don&#039;t support my x1700
_kevin06_ fglrx sucks
_kevin06_ amd :(
_kcodyjr_ be fair. fglrx is not meant for the consumer line, it&#039;s meant for the vertex-hungry cad apps, using the firegl line
_rafa_ Either way, I could never have the same performance with OpenSource drivers than with fglrx drivers and Catalyst.
_rafa_ OpenSource drivers do not have a good GUI for the settings.
_kcodyjr_ honestly the open source drivers don&#039;t have many performance controls beyond vast subsystem on/off switches, and that is not unique to radeonhd
_kcodyjr_ so a gui for &quot;disable exa&quot; would be pretty useless
_kevin06_ radeonhd with x1700 get artefact on teeworlds and other games
_kevin06_ just quake 3 work fine
_kcodyjr_ actually, being able to phone tech support when your fglrx redhat box does something stupid, almost makes the rhel price itself worth paying, depending how well they&#039;re actually able to resolve issues
_rafa_ Also, as I said before, I appreciate your work. Sorry for the delay, &quot;google translator&quot;.
_rafa_ Recalling mention for example that ATI did not support AIGLX, when other brands if they did long ago</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perdón, salió mal por los signos de menor y mayor que no los toma el blog:</p>
<p>_rafa_ Another question. Someone here works for AMD officially?<br />
_woglinde_ I am not<br />
_yangman_ rafa: agd5f and bridgman<br />
_rafa_ Please let them know that support for ATI in Linux sucks.<br />
_rafa_ My ATI is 2 years old and has no official Sopore anymore.<br />
_rafa_ I appreciate the work you all who are involved in the project of open source drivers.<br />
_MostAwesomeDude_ rafa: You may have missed the part where the AMD employees are actively working on the open-source drivers.<br />
_agd5f_ rafa: your card is supported by the open source drivers<br />
_kcodyjr_ ahh, rafa has a somewhat valid complaint if it says &#8216;linux&#8217; on the box; you know i&#8217;m grateful for the work you guys have done, but still you can&#8217;t pick up the phone and get someone to troubleshoot an issue &#8211; amd is paying you guys to develop, and quash bugs, not answer trouble tickets<br />
_kcodyjr_ now, if amd would just suck it up and go all-in on the radeonhd drivers, and make available the same paid support you can get for cad apps with fglrx, then all hats are off<br />
_MostAwesomeDude_ AMD supports certain Linux distros, like RHEL.<br />
_agd5f_ kcodyjr: fglrx still supports the older cards, just not with the latest kernel and xserver<br />
_kcodyjr_ didn&#8217;t say it would be an easy business decision<br />
_MostAwesomeDude_ They don&#8217;t support *every* distro.<br />
_kcodyjr_ and i wasn&#8217;t aware that they&#8217;d answer the phone to help fix idiotic problems for paid rhel subscribers, and i will mention it to my boss next time the issue comes up at work<br />
_kevin06_ fglrx don&#8217;t support my x1700<br />
_kevin06_ fglrx sucks<br />
_kevin06_ amd :(<br />
_kcodyjr_ be fair. fglrx is not meant for the consumer line, it&#8217;s meant for the vertex-hungry cad apps, using the firegl line<br />
_rafa_ Either way, I could never have the same performance with OpenSource drivers than with fglrx drivers and Catalyst.<br />
_rafa_ OpenSource drivers do not have a good GUI for the settings.<br />
_kcodyjr_ honestly the open source drivers don&#8217;t have many performance controls beyond vast subsystem on/off switches, and that is not unique to radeonhd<br />
_kcodyjr_ so a gui for &#8220;disable exa&#8221; would be pretty useless<br />
_kevin06_ radeonhd with x1700 get artefact on teeworlds and other games<br />
_kevin06_ just quake 3 work fine<br />
_kcodyjr_ actually, being able to phone tech support when your fglrx redhat box does something stupid, almost makes the rhel price itself worth paying, depending how well they&#8217;re actually able to resolve issues<br />
_rafa_ Also, as I said before, I appreciate your work. Sorry for the delay, &#8220;google translator&#8221;.<br />
_rafa_ Recalling mention for example that ATI did not support AIGLX, when other brands if they did long ago</p>
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		<title>Por: Rafa</title>
		<link>http://www.muylinux.com/2009/09/30/controladores-abiertos-vs-cerrados-de-ati/comment-page-1/#comment-8717</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jordi, ¿Por que te interesa? ¿Piensas que estoy pagado por otra empresa haciendo mala propaganda a ATI? Pregunto porque algunos fanáticos del canal me acusaron de eso. Soy usuario de años de ATI y he ayudado a muchas personas a instalar drivers y configurarlos en Linux. Cosa que dejaré de hacer, pues &quot;ATI brinda soporte&quot; en drivers privativos y libres según ellos.
Pongo una parte de la charla editando lo más importante sino se hace muy largo. Aclarando que no soy bueno redactando en ingles, por lo que me apoyé en google translator, cosa que no me ayudo como hubiese querido para tener una buena charla y hacerles conocer bien mi punto de vista.

 Another question. Someone here works for AMD officially?
 I am not
 rafa: agd5f and bridgman
 Please let them know that support for ATI in Linux sucks.
 My ATI is 2 years old and has no official Sopore anymore.
 I appreciate the work you all who are involved in the project of open source drivers.
 rafa: You may have missed the part where the AMD employees are actively working on the open-source drivers.
 rafa: your card is supported by the open source drivers
 ahh, rafa has a somewhat valid complaint if it says &#039;linux&#039; on the box; you know i&#039;m grateful for the work you guys have done, but still you can&#039;t pick up the phone and get someone to troubleshoot an issue - amd is paying you guys to develop, and quash bugs, not answer trouble tickets
 now, if amd would just suck it up and go all-in on the radeonhd drivers, and make available the same paid support you can get for cad apps with fglrx, then all hats are off
 AMD supports certain Linux distros, like RHEL.
 kcodyjr: fglrx still supports the older cards, just not with the latest kernel and xserver
 didn&#039;t say it would be an easy business decision
 They don&#039;t support *every* distro.
 and i wasn&#039;t aware that they&#039;d answer the phone to help fix idiotic problems for paid rhel subscribers, and i will mention it to my boss next time the issue comes up at work
 fglrx don&#039;t support my x1700
 fglrx sucks
 amd :(
 be fair. fglrx is not meant for the consumer line, it&#039;s meant for the vertex-hungry cad apps, using the firegl line
 Either way, I could never have the same performance with OpenSource drivers than with fglrx drivers and Catalyst.
 OpenSource drivers do not have a good GUI for the settings.
 honestly the open source drivers don&#039;t have many performance controls beyond vast subsystem on/off switches, and that is not unique to radeonhd
 so a gui for &quot;disable exa&quot; would be pretty useless
 radeonhd with x1700 get artefact on teeworlds and other games
 just quake 3 work fine
 actually, being able to phone tech support when your fglrx redhat box does something stupid, almost makes the rhel price itself worth paying, depending how well they&#039;re actually able to resolve issues
 Also, as I said before, I appreciate your work. Sorry for the delay, &quot;google translator&quot;.
 Recalling mention for example that ATI did not support AIGLX, when other brands if they did long ago</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jordi, ¿Por que te interesa? ¿Piensas que estoy pagado por otra empresa haciendo mala propaganda a ATI? Pregunto porque algunos fanáticos del canal me acusaron de eso. Soy usuario de años de ATI y he ayudado a muchas personas a instalar drivers y configurarlos en Linux. Cosa que dejaré de hacer, pues &#8220;ATI brinda soporte&#8221; en drivers privativos y libres según ellos.<br />
Pongo una parte de la charla editando lo más importante sino se hace muy largo. Aclarando que no soy bueno redactando en ingles, por lo que me apoyé en google translator, cosa que no me ayudo como hubiese querido para tener una buena charla y hacerles conocer bien mi punto de vista.</p>
<p> Another question. Someone here works for AMD officially?<br />
 I am not<br />
 rafa: agd5f and bridgman<br />
 Please let them know that support for ATI in Linux sucks.<br />
 My ATI is 2 years old and has no official Sopore anymore.<br />
 I appreciate the work you all who are involved in the project of open source drivers.<br />
 rafa: You may have missed the part where the AMD employees are actively working on the open-source drivers.<br />
 rafa: your card is supported by the open source drivers<br />
 ahh, rafa has a somewhat valid complaint if it says &#8216;linux&#8217; on the box; you know i&#8217;m grateful for the work you guys have done, but still you can&#8217;t pick up the phone and get someone to troubleshoot an issue &#8211; amd is paying you guys to develop, and quash bugs, not answer trouble tickets<br />
 now, if amd would just suck it up and go all-in on the radeonhd drivers, and make available the same paid support you can get for cad apps with fglrx, then all hats are off<br />
 AMD supports certain Linux distros, like RHEL.<br />
 kcodyjr: fglrx still supports the older cards, just not with the latest kernel and xserver<br />
 didn&#8217;t say it would be an easy business decision<br />
 They don&#8217;t support *every* distro.<br />
 and i wasn&#8217;t aware that they&#8217;d answer the phone to help fix idiotic problems for paid rhel subscribers, and i will mention it to my boss next time the issue comes up at work<br />
 fglrx don&#8217;t support my x1700<br />
 fglrx sucks<br />
 amd :(<br />
 be fair. fglrx is not meant for the consumer line, it&#8217;s meant for the vertex-hungry cad apps, using the firegl line<br />
 Either way, I could never have the same performance with OpenSource drivers than with fglrx drivers and Catalyst.<br />
 OpenSource drivers do not have a good GUI for the settings.<br />
 honestly the open source drivers don&#8217;t have many performance controls beyond vast subsystem on/off switches, and that is not unique to radeonhd<br />
 so a gui for &#8220;disable exa&#8221; would be pretty useless<br />
 radeonhd with x1700 get artefact on teeworlds and other games<br />
 just quake 3 work fine<br />
 actually, being able to phone tech support when your fglrx redhat box does something stupid, almost makes the rhel price itself worth paying, depending how well they&#8217;re actually able to resolve issues<br />
 Also, as I said before, I appreciate your work. Sorry for the delay, &#8220;google translator&#8221;.<br />
 Recalling mention for example that ATI did not support AIGLX, when other brands if they did long ago</p>
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		<title>Por: Jordi</title>
		<link>http://www.muylinux.com/2009/09/30/controladores-abiertos-vs-cerrados-de-ati/comment-page-1/#comment-8716</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rafa, tienes el log de esa charla de IRC? Me gustaría leerla</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafa, tienes el log de esa charla de IRC? Me gustaría leerla</p>
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		<title>Por: xyzwqt</title>
		<link>http://www.muylinux.com/2009/09/30/controladores-abiertos-vs-cerrados-de-ati/comment-page-1/#comment-8714</link>
		<dc:creator>xyzwqt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La velocidad en 2D de RadeonHD frente a fgrlx es notable.
No hay mas probar kde4 con el driver libre, sin efectos activados y se nota una mejora importante. ¿cuanto demorara en tener un soporte 3D completo?
¿navidades? Me parece que se esta realizando un muy buen trabajo, y esperemos ver los resultados muy pronto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La velocidad en 2D de RadeonHD frente a fgrlx es notable.<br />
No hay mas probar kde4 con el driver libre, sin efectos activados y se nota una mejora importante. ¿cuanto demorara en tener un soporte 3D completo?<br />
¿navidades? Me parece que se esta realizando un muy buen trabajo, y esperemos ver los resultados muy pronto.</p>
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